Posts by the pharmer

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Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer in

i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.

if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.

who is correct)?

If you were to draw a conclusion that differs from the one reached by me as one of Jehovah's Witness, your conclusion could be correct since Jehovah's Witnesses are not always correct , but I'm going to have to conclude that your conclusion is incorrect…

For the scope of this discussion, it doesn’t matter what the actual conclusion is or even what evidence is available to support those conclusions, because the fact is, within your conflicting statements you have stated that I could hold a correct view that opposes a JW’s incorrect view…period. We can even use your example to help illustrate this point.

If we use your example about higher powers and say that I concluded “A” about that scripture before the 1960’s, whereas JWs concluded “B” about it, according to your statements, you would have had to conclude that my conclusion was incorrect back then, not on the basis of any available evidence, but purely on the basis that it opposed your view. In your mind I would have had a mistaken view that needed to be adjusted back then, right?

However, I did not adjust my view and I currently still conclude “A” about that same scripture, and now you say JWs also conclude “A” about it, which I assume you believe is the correct view.

Djeggnog, in reality, if you think JW’s current view is correct, who was it that was mistaken (given the evidence which you provided) and who was it that had their mistaken view adjusted, given the JW’s current view of that scripture?

Thanks for being willing to clear this up.

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Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer in

i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.

if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.

who is correct)?

the pharmer

I wonder if djeggnog (or anyone else for that matter) could actually reconcile this conflict completely within the realm of reality.

I have to admit, dgp, the weight of the evidence is in your favor.

Thanks for you input!

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re-enforcing the shunning of immediate family - WT 7-15-11

by undercover in

july 15th wt study edition (regular dumb edition, not the dumber one).

god's rest - have you entered into it?.

subheading, when someone we love leaves jehovah.

the pharmer

(marking)

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Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer in

i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.

if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.

who is correct)?

the pharmer

Thanks dgp.

So essentially, you're saying his contradictory statements would read as the following single explanation:

If you were to read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes my view as one of JWs as to the meaning of this same passage, in reality you could have the correct view, but in my mind you have a mistaken view...

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Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer in

i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.

if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.

who is correct)?

the pharmer

djeggnog,

Show me how these two conflicting statements of yours can be reconciled.

If you were to read a passage of Scripture and were to draw a conclusion that is a different from the one reached by Jehovah's Witnesses, this would not necessarily mean that your conclusion was incorrect.

…

If you were to read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes my view as one of Jehovah's Witnesses as to the meaning of this same passage, in my mind you have a mistaken view that needs to be adjusted to the Scriptures.

These are your words, djeggnog, not mine. This isn't a matter of opinion; it is fact. It is disingenuous of you to walk away from this in this manner -- suggesting that I ask someone else to clear it up.

If these two statements of yours don'tconflict in your mind, I am confident you have the ability to show me just how and why they don't. All I ask is that you stay on task -- don't hand me a suppository and expect me to swallow it.

Thanks.

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Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer in

i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.

if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.

who is correct)?

the pharmer

Thanks dgp. Definitely some points to consider.

(oops, sorry for the duplicate)

137

Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer in

i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.

if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.

who is correct)?

the pharmer

Thanks dgp. Definitely some points to consider.

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Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer in

i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.

if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.

who is correct)?

the pharmer

djeggnog,

Also, just so you understand, I'm not interested in having someone else clear up contradictions which you have personally introduced. You are the author, therefore it is your responsibility (not someone else's) to reconcile them now that you've been made aware of them. Whether or not you choose to is up to you.

BTW- I'm not averse to taking pills, assuming their benefits outweigh their risks, but I certainly wouldn't take one without knowing the active ingredient. How about you help reconcile this particular active ingredient?

Thanks.

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Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer in

i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.

if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.

who is correct)?

the pharmer

djeggnog,

You said:

What would just be your opinion, @the pharmer, would it not? What you believe to be unresolved issues may be unresolved for you, but not for everyone; certainly not for me, so while I'm not about to posit an argument as to how what things I have written in this thread are not a source for any anxiety or frustration you might have in how I have addressed your concerns, I believe I more than adequately answered the question you initially raised as the OP:

Do the following highlighted conflicts, which you introduced as part of your answer and explanation to me, seem to be a matter of opinion? Or is it your attempt to avoid addressing them?

If you were to read a passage of Scripture and were to draw a conclusion that is a different from the one reached by Jehovah's Witnesses, this would not necessarily mean that your conclusion was incorrect.

…

If you were to read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes my view as one of Jehovah's Witnesses as to the meaning of this same passage, in my mind you have a mistaken view that needs to be adjusted to the Scriptures

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Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer in

i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.

if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.

who is correct)?

the pharmer

Djeggnog,

Among many other things, you again confirm and strengthen the conflict:

This does not necessarily mean that the conclusions you reach are incorrect if it should turn out that I have reached different conclusions than you have reached upon reading the above-cited scriptural texts, for, let's face it, my conclusions could be totally wrong. However, I would not be one of Jehovah's Witnesses if I held a viewpoint that differed from that which is officially being held by Jehovah's Witnesses, and this is why anyone that hold a scriptural viewpoint that differs from the official position of Jehovah's Witnesses and teaches others to this effect can no longer be considered one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I know I've said this before, but I'll say it again: We know that there are things that we do not know accurately and that in time we will come to know those things that we currently do not know at present accurately.

As regards your previous conflicting ideas/statements which you have not yet reconciled, you say:

I'm perfectly ok with this.

You can be sure that I’m not okay with it. Remember, these unresolved issues have bearing on everything else you write, so I would think you would want to reconcile it – if not for your sake, perhaps for mine. Please refer to my previous post to you which highlighted the conflicts you introduced.

Also, I appreciate all the effort you put into providing information within your posts, but honestly, all I’m concerned about at this point is the active ingredient – i.e. if you put in too many inactive ingredients, the pill becomes too large to swallow.

Thanks.